18 May 2009
Jesse Ventura vs. Elizabeth Hasselbeck
Ventura wins. Some repetition from the previous video, but he makes some additional points: if waterboarding is o.k., why don't U.S. police use it on suspects. If it's o.k. why wasn't it done on the Oklahoma City (terrorist) bombers. If it's o.k., why hasn't it been used by the U.S. on anyone except Muslims?
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The U.S. Police don't use it because it would be considered coercive, and in violation of several amendments of the US Constitution, most particularly the fifth, as the case Miranda vs. Arizona made very clear.
ReplyDeleteThe reason that waterboarding wasn't used against Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols was for the same reason given above. US Police are not allowed to coerce confessions (which I might point out is very different from obtaining sensitive operational information).
The United States hasn't waterboarded anyone but Muslims because its an extreme interrogation technique that is rarely used, and we haven't been directly attacked by any other foreign terrorist operation. Last time I checked the Irish Republican Army, nor the Tamil Tigers were declaring that the US was enemy number one.
I can't help wondering if Mr. Ventura is objecting to waterboarding since it became politically vogue to find it offensive.
World war 2. would you say that more was at stake then or now? I would have to say then. So, if we could win a world war without using these tactics, why do we need to use them now? Is Elizabeth in near as much peril as we were when the Nazi regime, and the Japanese Empire threatened with all of their might to take over our country? No.
ReplyDeleteWatch the dynamic and style of her rebuttals. He points out a fact, she jumps to another topic. Try's to relate two entirely different incidents, pirates holding a hostage, and torture to people in our prisons. There is a defective gene at work in these people. It's like their humanity is is only cast in a very small circle about themselves.