tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post5096805454499003431..comments2024-03-28T23:22:41.774-05:00Comments on TYWKIWDBI ("Tai-Wiki-Widbee"): Land acquisition by the Founding FathersMinnesotastanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01382888179579245181noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-19918952175376996272013-01-17T20:28:34.804-06:002013-01-17T20:28:34.804-06:00"A common defense of the State holds that man..."A common defense of the State holds that man is a "social animal," that he must live in society, and that individualists and libertarians believe in the existence of "atomistic individuals" uninfluenced by and unrelated to their fellow men. But no libertarians have ever held individuals to be isolated atoms; on the contrary, all libertarians have recognized the necessity and the enormous advantages of living in society, and of participating in the social division of labor. The great non sequitur committed by defenders of the State, including classical Aristotelian and Thomist philosophers, is to leap from the necessity of society to the necessity of the State." <br /><br />- Murray Rothbard <br /><br />Let us avoid straw-manning each other, please. 032125https://www.blogger.com/profile/11092860450994272341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-1186466034262993352013-01-16T14:12:13.450-06:002013-01-16T14:12:13.450-06:00Paine's quote is well said and true. Great stu...Paine's quote is well said and true. Great stuff.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10619153370091469672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-58092236584055704002013-01-16T13:56:04.418-06:002013-01-16T13:56:04.418-06:00Were the carefully-tended fruit trees that the gov...Were the carefully-tended fruit trees that the government chopped down or the crops that soldiers burned in the fields in order to drive the tribes from their lands idle? You ought to read some real history - not what you were spoon-fed in school - before you start cherry-picking soothing quotes designed to make people feel better.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-63658798581483837102013-01-16T13:50:13.509-06:002013-01-16T13:50:13.509-06:00Pretty words to hide black deeds. The land was not...Pretty words to hide black deeds. The land was not idle according to the people from whom it was taken. They were actively using it, just not in the same way the white settlers wanted to use it. It's all about how you define "idle". isn't it? And guess whose definition counts? Maybe the one with the guns?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-71004050229595308142013-01-16T12:22:11.104-06:002013-01-16T12:22:11.104-06:00Very interesting quote. I read it a few times in o...Very interesting quote. I read it a few times in order to fully understand and appreciate it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-38606533676393191912013-01-16T11:51:06.514-06:002013-01-16T11:51:06.514-06:00Anonymous -- "We saw the land lying idle; we ...Anonymous -- "We saw the land lying idle; we took it. This to other nations is all that we can say. Which one of them can cast the first stone?" Frederick Law Olmsted<br /><br />Nicholls -- it is a brilliant find. As a corollary to Paine's words, as early as 1797 Bishop Francis Ashbury worried: " I am of the opinion it is hard, or harder, for the people of the west to gain religion as any other . . . when I reflect that not one in a hundred came here to get religion, but rather to get plenty of good land, I think it will be well if some or many do not eventually lose their souls."<br />not securely anchoredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09979789156769394267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-42136456977676943482013-01-16T07:12:11.692-06:002013-01-16T07:12:11.692-06:00Notwithstanding the fact, of course, that the land...Notwithstanding the fact, of course, that the land was already owned by someone, and the white colonists just decided that those pesky 'Indians' didn't really count and took the land for themselves. Manifest destiny, indeed!<br /><br />And don't haul out the "they signed treaties! They knew what they were doing" argument. A treaty signed with a gun to the head of your entire civilization is only valid in the eyes of the gun-holder. If your only choices are to either sign the treaty or be slowly engulfed by someone with advanced weaponry and exterminated one by one, that's not really much of a choice is it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-12471609283853157952013-01-15T16:59:25.136-06:002013-01-15T16:59:25.136-06:00That's a brilliant find. Paine's words sta...That's a brilliant find. Paine's words stand in stark contrast to the Objectivist and Libertarian fantasies that every man is an island.BJ Nichollshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04525256614467299544noreply@blogger.com