tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post4597476135000639488..comments2024-03-27T18:20:38.176-05:00Comments on TYWKIWDBI ("Tai-Wiki-Widbee"): Can you read this message?Minnesotastanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01382888179579245181noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-40868704798758091462023-04-06T00:39:57.479-05:002023-04-06T00:39:57.479-05:00Born '1958... I can't EVEN imagine not kno...Born '1958... I can't EVEN imagine not knowing how to read/write cursive!! What a shame ~<br />bobbieAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-920955233021546832022-09-29T14:34:37.231-05:002022-09-29T14:34:37.231-05:00Transcribing those might be great entertainment fo...Transcribing those might be great entertainment for bored seniors in nursing homes, especially the ones who can type. They even know the slang and nonstandard spellings, which OCR usually trips on.Maiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00802025875601656988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-69946028896095382082022-09-23T16:57:37.699-05:002022-09-23T16:57:37.699-05:00Neural networks are doing amazing things with lang...Neural networks are doing amazing things with languages these days — new devices from Apple can lift text out of photographs or translate printed material in real time. I was surprised to find that it even works on cursive, if right now very poorly. However future historians may be able to rely on improved tools to extract meaning from cursive text. <br /><br />Here’s what I was able to pull from the sample image:<br />wim<br />util<br />Hee Waitness<br />How we treat. there<br />we're alloed to mistreat is the<br />meanue of who we are.<br />lamie toluellLewis Francishttps://lewisfrancis.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-12314332566717042142022-09-23T12:35:35.197-05:002022-09-23T12:35:35.197-05:00https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/202...https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2022/08/stick-shift-manual-transmission-cars/671078/Minnesotastanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01382888179579245181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-77145225169890739992022-09-22T18:29:28.114-05:002022-09-22T18:29:28.114-05:00You're looking at the signature. We were disc...You're looking at the signature. We were discussing the mother's name.Minnesotastanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01382888179579245181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-87009829132881952622022-09-22T18:14:15.402-05:002022-09-22T18:14:15.402-05:00Janey? I read that as "Carrie Schultz"Janey? I read that as "Carrie Schultz"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-19629588949945533332022-09-22T15:57:00.044-05:002022-09-22T15:57:00.044-05:00I find it astonishing that neither in that article...I find it astonishing that neither in that article, nor here, has anyone brought up the reason for cursive: the temporary predominance of fountain pens. I also found it exceptionally irritating in the article that "not writing in cursive" is equated with "only typing". I was born in 1969, never learned cursive, and write all the time. Just not with a fountain pen (blech), and not in cursive. Allen Knutsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15616422252030334511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-57087231961746256252022-09-22T12:34:02.097-05:002022-09-22T12:34:02.097-05:00My kids, now 24 and 25, learned both typing and cu...My kids, now 24 and 25, learned both typing and cursive at parochial school in their elementary years. When they got to (public) high school, they found out the other kids never learned cursive, as the school had dropped cursive in favor of typing. So they spent years translating script for their peers. And then they went to college, and did the same. Miss Cellaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16056319889765739429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-39491442638114107232022-09-21T22:25:39.458-05:002022-09-21T22:25:39.458-05:00It’s hard for Gen Xers who need to read old deeds ...It’s hard for Gen Xers who need to read old deeds or other geneological records. I’ve had to translate beautiful 19th century Copperplate script because my colleagues can’t understand it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-90415780501026024362022-09-21T15:05:17.022-05:002022-09-21T15:05:17.022-05:00"...stick-shift cars into the historical arch..."...stick-shift cars into the historical archives."<br />Wash your mouth out with soap for uttering such heresy! LoL<br />Rage, yes rage against the shiftless masses not paying attention. <br />xoxoxoBruceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-19952398085972755562022-09-21T13:34:22.006-05:002022-09-21T13:34:22.006-05:00I'm 81 years old, so you can guess that I grew...I'm 81 years old, so you can guess that I grew up with cursive writing. And I've depended on it ever since. Even today, I couldn't do without cursive. I'm constantly writing little notes to myself, to remind me of certain things. I keep the weekly shopping list on the fridge, and add to it (in cursive) as I think of what I need to buy. And when I'm talking to someone on the phone (an old-fashioned land line), if they say something important, I'll make a note of it in cursive so I don't forget it. I could go on, but I won't bore you. Just -- yay cursive!<br /><br />Margaretnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-66198133213849182432022-09-21T07:40:09.197-05:002022-09-21T07:40:09.197-05:00This whole discussion befuddles me. I've only ...This whole discussion befuddles me. I've only been taught cursive way back when in Holland. Print wasn't a thing, other than that we had to practice occasionally to write things on forms in loose capitals only, which I guess is print.<br /><br />I see on wiki that there is a small move to print back home. <br /><br />Good thing that I generally write like a drunken doctor so that my writing is illegible at best and incomprehensible in general. Nepkarelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-73762251861374128582022-09-20T17:25:12.977-05:002022-09-20T17:25:12.977-05:00I’m a college professor, and so I remember gradin...I’m a college professor, and so I remember grading essays and labs and such written in cursive. It was horrible! The moment that access to word processing became standard in higher education I required it. Cursive, in my humble opinion, lends itself to artistic flourishes, (unfortunately) lazy time-saving motions, and thus lots of diversity. Over the last decade I’ve phased out my use of cursive in comments to students on their work, since most students can’t read it well, and in fact my handwriting has grown blockier and ironically more readable to both them and me. I’m fine with cursive following olde englisch and stick-shift cars into the historical archives.<br /> That said, I occasionally receive a hand-written letter in flawless, uniform cursive, and I almost want to frame them. Cursive done “write” can be absolutely gorgeous.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-2521791265320327742022-09-20T16:35:28.228-05:002022-09-20T16:35:28.228-05:00As an historian/archival researcher, of necessity,...As an historian/archival researcher, of necessity, I can read and write cursive. I had to teach myself 18th C Spanish 'cursive' and its abbreviations, mostly by using my minimal knowledge of New Mexican Spanish to guess what the abbreviations could be; they seem to have worked. <br />And I must admit that some English historical documents are as difficult to read as some of my own notes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-26860664028004248322022-09-20T14:47:25.265-05:002022-09-20T14:47:25.265-05:00I was born in 1968. My high school had classes i...I was born in 1968. My high school had classes in shorthand and typing (typing on both manual and electric typewriters as well as microcomputers (Bank Street Writer on an Apple II). We certainly learned cursive.<br /><br />I wasn't planning on being a secretary so I never took shorthand, but typing has been very useful.<br /><br />All the hours spent dealing with cursive would have been far more useful to me if we'd learned to write the greek alphabet, which is basically required in college level math classes. (I can do delta.... )<br /><br />As for the problems for historians, that's easily solved with computers and OCR.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-88127351519701930862022-09-20T14:28:40.574-05:002022-09-20T14:28:40.574-05:00I write Ukrainian 'cursive'. We were taug...I write Ukrainian 'cursive'. We were taught that for certain letters, we should add an underline or have a line above them to clarify which letter it was. Or, increase the spacing between those certain letters so they are recognizable. Those 'certain' letters would include: и і л м п т ш - there are probably others, but I do not recall those right now. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-24464832821899279712022-09-20T12:21:03.094-05:002022-09-20T12:21:03.094-05:00It's about age, not nationality. Most America...It's about age, not nationality. Most Americans over the age of 35 or so are able to write in script (also know as cursive or longhand in some parts of America). My eight year old wanted to learn, so I taught her how to make the letters in under an hour. Her script is not as precise as her grandmother's, but certainly legible, and she's able to read it with fluidity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-10298056868202820722022-09-20T10:29:36.900-05:002022-09-20T10:29:36.900-05:00Equally concerning to the history issues, I am a r...Equally concerning to the history issues, I am a recently retired RN, and was in a facility where the EMR went down, so physicians had to hand write orders. They no longer teach illegible handwriting in med school, though I’m an expert at that, too, have started nursing in the late 80’s. One physician wrote an extremely legible order for an antibiotic, and the bedside RN, who looked about 25 years old handed be the order, said he couldn’t read cursive, and could I transcribe it into print for him. Way to make me feel old, young whippersnapper.<br /><br />OTOH, I taught myself to read old German hand script and Fractur in order to read old family documents, so it’s not terribly difficult. Those who wish to study history will do so with modern American cursive as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-68180991712834791902022-09-20T09:56:56.011-05:002022-09-20T09:56:56.011-05:00I got the point of the article but answered the qu...I got the point of the article but answered the question in the headline.<br />Plus pointed out rockets mistake. Janey eh? OK.<br />xoxoxoBruceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-28478700151649148722022-09-20T09:30:34.891-05:002022-09-20T09:30:34.891-05:00I enjoyed reading your comment about learning typi...I enjoyed reading your comment about learning typing on a manual typewriter. I'll insert here a comment I wrote last year on this subject:<br /><br />"I have said publicly (and truly believe) that typing was the single most useful course I took in high school. It was a mandatory eighth-grade course in a boys' school in the 1960s, and was scoffed at by some students as "something for girls." But it sped me through college and graduate school and life in general (including blogging).<br /><br />The course was taught by a secretary at the school, so some years ago I wrote to the school to ascertain her name and retirement address, and I wrote her a letter (typed) expressing my appreciation to her for teaching that skill. I'll bet it was the only thank-you she ever received.<br /><br />One of my classmates told me he secured a clerkship with a Supreme Court judge based on his ability to type (the judge was short of clerical staff). Another one told me that during the Vietnam War, his ability to type resulted in a stateside clerical position in San Francisco rather than a combat one in the war zone."Minnesotastanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01382888179579245181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-76419764104461848652022-09-20T08:51:37.471-05:002022-09-20T08:51:37.471-05:00Hi Stan: I have a severe speech impairment. Writin...Hi Stan: I have a severe speech impairment. Writing notes to people I need to speak with is an important part of my communication strategy. Lately, I’ve encountered people telling me that they cannot read cursive and it’s very disappointing and inconvenient. I was shocked when it first happened.Chris Lorangerhttp://chrislikestowalk.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-33030967716512679642022-09-20T08:48:21.372-05:002022-09-20T08:48:21.372-05:00I can read it, but it’s more work and the characte...I can read it, but it’s more work and the characters can sometimes be ambiguous depending on how much work went into writing it. I typeset a memoir written by my grandfather and ended up spending a good bit of time researching context around certain things to disambiguate. <br /><br />Aside from using more space, I don’t think it will be much of a loss because the original can be typeset and displayed side-by-side. It’s not that difficult to learn for folks doing research either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-21166255276061437662022-09-20T08:08:37.999-05:002022-09-20T08:08:37.999-05:00The demise of cursive ("longhand") was p...The demise of cursive ("longhand") was prefigured to some extent by that of stenography ("shorthand"). My mother (b. 1949) had steno classes in public school and can still read and write it, although the opportunities to do so are virtually non-existent now. I imagine, outside of highly specialized professional contexts, she is in the last generation to learn shorthand, like I (b. 1971) am probably in the last generation to take a public school typing class with a manual typewriter!Jeffohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06989946392105339862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-47625097355524623752022-09-20T04:57:32.280-05:002022-09-20T04:57:32.280-05:00Let’s not take the example of Harvard students to ...Let’s not take the example of Harvard students to be universally representative. You could say they have not learned to ‘read and write’. Some of our top universities in the past required an application to be submitted in Latin. A writing test could be included instead as evidence of a rounded education!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-72314261529183473752022-09-20T01:42:35.953-05:002022-09-20T01:42:35.953-05:00I can read that just fine. I can supposedly write ...I can read that just fine. I can supposedly write cursive, but people would question that assumption. Our school district is teaching cursive again.Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00017192454403363349noreply@blogger.com