How do you pronounce "Celtic" ?
"Celtic pronounced “Keltic” is an outlier in English phonology. Nearly every other English word beginning ce- has a soft-c sound: cedar, ceiling, cell, cement, cent, cereal, certain, cesspit, and so on (cello,
with its “ch-” onset, is another anomaly). So it shouldn’t surprise us
that “Seltic” was once overwhelmingly the norm. The now-dominant
pronunciation “Keltic” is a modern innovation...
According to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary of English Usage,
“the closer you get to circles substantively concerned with Celtic lore
and languages, the more likely you are to hear \'kel-tik\”—though
“Seltic” may be heard “at times from very well-educated speakers.”..
English is a hotchpotch of languages and lexicons, originally
Germanic but with strong Scandinavian, French, and Latin influences.
This can lead to specious arguments based on supposedly self-evident
logic: It must be “Seltic” because phonology; It must be “Keltic” because etymology. But neither phonology nor etymology dictates usage—that’s down to us, and we’re a contrary bunch.
Claims about correctness in language can’t override the facts of
usage, and the important fact here is that both pronunciations are standard and correct. Don’t believe me? Scroll up and consult the
dictionaries. Critics are entitled to dislike “Seltic” or “Keltic,” but
they have no business saying either pronunciation is wrong. Because
they’re both right."
My mom plays fiddle in a Celtic band and I've always heard the hard K pronunciation in those circles. Though the basketball team seems to prefer the soft C? It's interesting to know both are considered correct.
ReplyDeleteI learned that the tribe was called the Kelts and so Keltic derives from the name of the people.
ReplyDeleteOn the other hand, the football team is called Seltic.
Hi,
ReplyDeleteAs Anonymous at 12:36, the tribe is The Celts which I pronounce Kelts, and the football team is Celtic which I pronounce Seltic.
I'm in the UK.
best wishes another phil
It's indeed strange, I never thought of this before; being a soccer fan I would say Seltic as well, although the tribe I would call Kelts. Now I'm wondering how to pronounce Ceasar, why is everybody saying Seasar? The Romans (and the Celts) would probably have used a hard K so the soft C is a modern invention?
ReplyDeleteI would guess the Germanic tribesmen (and maybe the Celts) would have said "KY-ser" to evolve into Kaiser?
DeleteThe Romans would have said "Kai-sar". The C before the a of Caesar is hard.
DeleteThe linguistic term is palatalization, a very common process in many languages. Basically: K becomes CH (as in choose) becomes SH (as in ship) becomes S.
DeleteThe Romans said 'kaiser' as well as a far as I know.
ReplyDeleteAnd that English is Germanic is also controversial, it may be Norse at core.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/11/121127094111.htm
Umm, Norse is a Germanic language.
DeleteI think Zhoen meant to say that English may be of North Germanic (verb in the middle) rather than West Germanic (verb at the end) derivation.
DeleteComing from Ireland, I have always heard "Keltic" used for everything.. Except for the Scottish football team Glasgow Celtic (pronounced "Seltic"), that is the only time I have ever noticed it used that way myself.
ReplyDeleteYou can hear it mentioned a few times near the start of this documentary (just something I found on Youtube looking for an example): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEhr_eAJQ4k