"Things You Wouldn't Know If We Didn't Blog Intermittently."
15 August 2009
"Every face tells a story"
Angela Garbarino's face tells a gruesome one that will not appeal to many TYWKIWDBI readers.
For those interested, the story is here, and a Reddit discussion thread is here. More pix from Shreveport Times here. MSM news story here. Others here.
Everybody loves to jump on the police brutality bandwagon, but I can't help but notice that the evidence is all circumstantial.
They say procedure is to turn the camera off at the point that he turned it off, so if he had beaten her, why would he turn it back on unless he wanted to document injuries she sustained related to her own actions?
I have never had trouble with the police - I don't live that kind of life - but I admit I don't fully trust them.
However, I would not want to do their job and deal with the drunk beligerants. They're told they are supposed to be professional at all times but when you've been kicked, abused, spit on, had other body fluids flung at you, cursed, scratched and so forth, you get tired.
Don't know what happened to this woman - it is likely something happened to her that shouldn't have happpened.
However, that could have been avoided if she had not permitted herself to become drunk.
Deana -- whether she was drunk or not is irrelevant. She was abused. The officer should have requested assistance rather than beating the woman to the extent that she has black eyes, numerous bruises and broken teeth.
Implying that this woman brought it on herself because she was allegedly drunk is like saying it's ok to rob you because you have money in your purse or pocket.
And Ian, what actions do you think she performed that resulted in two black eyes? Had she fallen onto or into an object, that region of her face would have been bruised, not specifically two eyes. And yes, it's possible to fall onto/into an object, severely bruise the face and experience lacerations without developing a black eye.
Blaming the victim, how despicable. Look at the Shreveport link with the 21 photos, bruises and damage over her entire body, there's no way she did this herself. *Gross*.
Whether you would want to do a cops job is irrelevant. Police aren't drafted, it's a voluntary paying position that people seek out, and if you don't realize what comes with the territory, and accept that, then you aren't fit to be one. Period.
The illogical hoops that people will jump through to try to defend the indefensible is amazing.
The bruises sustained by Garbarino were on her arms and shoulders. Her arms were bruised by the officers hands grabbing her in an attempt to control her as she resisted. Her shoulder was bruised by the set belt of the car she crashed in. A lot of few woman have an iron deficiency which causes them to bruise for no apparent reason. Iron deficient blood tends not to clot as quickly which can result in excess bleeding compared to non iron deficient blood. As seen in the video, Garbarino had bleed a good amount. She had a cut bottom lip as seen from the beginning of the video, before the apparent beating. She also broke her nose and knocked out her front teeth. When people are hand cuffed and drunk the have a tendency to fall on their face as witnessed in this video. When the video was stopped she could have once again fallen on her face in an attempt to allude the officer. I worked as an EMT a few years back and when a nose is broken it will in a lot of instances cause one or both eyes to become bruised because blood will travel to the areas with the least resistance in nearest proximity to the injured area. If Garbarino fell on her face she could have easily broke her front teeth and nose causing the injuries that are present.
Anonymous, I work in a lab and you are either flat out stupid or you're making up facts to support what you want to say.
Iron deficiency results in smaller blood cells but doesn't affect the coagulation pathway. Anemic people do not bleed or bruise more easily unless they have something else wrong with them.
Iron deficient blood does NOT "tend to not clot as quickly." It clots just fine.
Paul, I,ve always wondered why people, such as yourself, resort to name calling when someone else, me, presents a thought that differs from their own. I wonder if you are a liberal! Hmm. As for iron deficiency anemia, try doing what so many people have done long before you and I came along. Look it up! And I don't mean GOOGLE it either. Maybe a little more schooling on your part. Iron deficiency can cause a whole host of things and complicate a whole host of other things, one of which is bruising or blood lose. I will neither debate you or argue with you. Facts a are facts and the burden of discovery is on you. So go on, discover something. Teach the world that you have arrived.
I don't know what difference politics makes in this thread, but I'm a conservative Republican if you need to know. And Paul is right. The other Anonymous, you have it backwards. Easy bruising and clotting problems can cause iron deficiency anemia, but iron deficiency doesn't cause clotting problems. Those are the basic facts. Honest.
If he was supposed to turn the camera off (which I find hard to believe) then there's no evidence he did anything wrong. It doesn't take much to give someone with fair skin those kinds of bruises and I can easily believe that someone with their hands handcuffed behind their backs and drunk could do a face plant.
Having written that, the fact that the police then fired him makes me think he probably had a history of use of excessive force, but that's just speculation.
It's useless to get excited about things like this because in some large percentage of the cases the cop will have been totally innocent and in some other large percentage of the cases the cop will be mostly innocent and in a small percentage of the cases the cop will be a psychopath. Unless you know all the facts, you're unlikely to be able to differentiate the three possibilities.
The lesson is i) don't drive drunk, ii) don't wreck your car, and iii) don't piss off cops.
Why have I not heard about this in the television news or my paper. Why do I find out from reading your blog?
ReplyDeleteEverybody loves to jump on the police brutality bandwagon, but I can't help but notice that the evidence is all circumstantial.
ReplyDeleteThey say procedure is to turn the camera off at the point that he turned it off, so if he had beaten her, why would he turn it back on unless he wanted to document injuries she sustained related to her own actions?
Good point, Ian.
ReplyDeleteI have never had trouble with the police - I don't live that kind of life - but I admit I don't fully trust them.
However, I would not want to do their job and deal with the drunk beligerants. They're told they are supposed to be professional at all times but when you've been kicked, abused, spit on, had other body fluids flung at you, cursed, scratched and so forth, you get tired.
Don't know what happened to this woman - it is likely something happened to her that shouldn't have happpened.
However, that could have been avoided if she had not permitted herself to become drunk.
Deana -- whether she was drunk or not is irrelevant. She was abused. The officer should have requested assistance rather than beating the woman to the extent that she has black eyes, numerous bruises and broken teeth.
ReplyDeleteImplying that this woman brought it on herself because she was allegedly drunk is like saying it's ok to rob you because you have money in your purse or pocket.
And Ian, what actions do you think she performed that resulted in two black eyes? Had she fallen onto or into an object, that region of her face would have been bruised, not specifically two eyes. And yes, it's possible to fall onto/into an object, severely bruise the face and experience lacerations without developing a black eye.
CCL
Blaming the victim, how despicable.
ReplyDeleteLook at the Shreveport link with the 21 photos, bruises and damage over her entire body, there's no way she did this herself. *Gross*.
Whether you would want to do a cops job is irrelevant. Police aren't drafted, it's a voluntary paying position that people seek out, and if you don't realize what comes with the territory, and accept that, then you aren't fit to be one. Period.
The illogical hoops that people will jump through to try to defend the indefensible is amazing.
The bruises sustained by Garbarino were on her arms and shoulders. Her arms were bruised by the officers hands grabbing her in an attempt to control her as she resisted. Her shoulder was bruised by the set belt of the car she crashed in. A lot of few woman have an iron deficiency which causes them to bruise for no apparent reason. Iron deficient blood tends not to clot as quickly which can result in excess bleeding compared to non iron deficient blood. As seen in the video, Garbarino had bleed a good amount. She had a cut bottom lip as seen from the beginning of the video, before the apparent beating. She also broke her nose and knocked out her front teeth. When people are hand cuffed and drunk the have a tendency to fall on their face as witnessed in this video. When the video was stopped she could have once again fallen on her face in an attempt to allude the officer. I worked as an EMT a few years back and when a nose is broken it will in a lot of instances cause one or both eyes to become bruised because blood will travel to the areas with the least resistance in nearest proximity to the injured area. If Garbarino fell on her face she could have easily broke her front teeth and nose causing the injuries that are present.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous, I work in a lab and you are either flat out stupid or you're making up facts to support what you want to say.
ReplyDeleteIron deficiency results in smaller blood cells but doesn't affect the coagulation pathway. Anemic people do not bleed or bruise more easily unless they have something else wrong with them.
Iron deficient blood does NOT "tend to not clot as quickly." It clots just fine.
Paul, I,ve always wondered why people, such as yourself, resort to name calling when someone else, me, presents a thought that differs from their own. I wonder if you are a liberal! Hmm. As for iron deficiency anemia, try doing what so many people have done long before you and I came along. Look it up! And I don't mean GOOGLE it either. Maybe a little more schooling on your part. Iron deficiency can cause a whole host of things and complicate a whole host of other things, one of which is bruising or blood lose. I will neither debate you or argue with you. Facts a are facts and the burden of discovery is on you. So go on, discover something. Teach the world that you have arrived.
ReplyDeleteI don't know what difference politics makes in this thread, but I'm a conservative Republican if you need to know. And Paul is right. The other Anonymous, you have it backwards. Easy bruising and clotting problems can cause iron deficiency anemia, but iron deficiency doesn't cause clotting problems. Those are the basic facts. Honest.
ReplyDeleteIron deficiency anemia does NOT cause bruising or problems with coagulation.
ReplyDeleteAbnormal or deficient levels of clotting factors and/or platelets cause clotting problems.
Iron-deficient anemia can cause problems with delivering oxygen to body organs, but not clotting problems.
And, no, I'm not convinced she did all the damage to herself.
CCL
If he was supposed to turn the camera off (which I find hard to believe) then there's no evidence he did anything wrong. It doesn't take much to give someone with fair skin those kinds of bruises and I can easily believe that someone with their hands handcuffed behind their backs and drunk could do a face plant.
ReplyDeleteHaving written that, the fact that the police then fired him makes me think he probably had a history of use of excessive force, but that's just speculation.
It's useless to get excited about things like this because in some large percentage of the cases the cop will have been totally innocent and in some other large percentage of the cases the cop will be mostly innocent and in a small percentage of the cases the cop will be a psychopath. Unless you know all the facts, you're unlikely to be able to differentiate the three possibilities.
The lesson is i) don't drive drunk, ii) don't wreck your car, and iii) don't piss off cops.