tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post3427862195794363706..comments2024-03-27T18:20:38.176-05:00Comments on TYWKIWDBI ("Tai-Wiki-Widbee"): Approaching Lake Vostok - fifth updateMinnesotastanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01382888179579245181noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-58642104276455703902018-08-04T19:18:33.361-05:002018-08-04T19:18:33.361-05:00https://www.livescience.com/38652-what-is-lake-vos...https://www.livescience.com/38652-what-is-lake-vostok.html<br /><br />Bubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07367554651401120819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-36533142015513328952014-01-20T07:27:04.335-06:002014-01-20T07:27:04.335-06:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Rubennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-54189122006593487072013-03-13T13:39:10.049-05:002013-03-13T13:39:10.049-05:00Not so fast...
"Late last week, a Russian ne...Not so fast...<br /><br />"Late last week, a Russian news outlet reported that scientists at Antarctica's Lake Vostok, buried under miles of ice, said they had found bacteria that appeared to be new to science. Now, the head of that lab has said the signature is actually just contamination, leading outside researchers to say that the Russian team rushed too quickly to announce the possibility of new bacterial life."<br /><br />http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=new-antarctica-bacteria-now-said-to-only-be-contaminantMinnesotastanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01382888179579245181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-37627143060295118842013-03-09T16:15:25.114-06:002013-03-09T16:15:25.114-06:00Time for a 5th update.. http://www.guardian.co.uk/...Time for a 5th update.. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/mar/08/scientists-bacterial-life-antarctic-lakeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-42631779485669249602012-10-22T06:51:33.781-05:002012-10-22T06:51:33.781-05:00The nice thing about this is that no matter how mu...The nice thing about this is that no matter how much everyone has their silly science vs. christianity/god/religion squabbles it won't really effect the research at all. I don't even know why people bother to have these endless arguments, it never changes anybody's mind. <br /><br />The scientists are always going to think that the anti-evolution christians are crazy uneducated fundamentalists who get in the way of education and reason, and the anti-evolution christians are always going to believe that the scientists are foolish heathens who are going to burn in hell and are going to drag their children along with by teaching them about evolution in school. Yawn.Matthew Stevenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10466769508945161715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-62356732021819661262012-10-22T06:41:51.659-05:002012-10-22T06:41:51.659-05:00I am just curious if you if we have ever found any...I am just curious if you if we have ever found any significant body of water on this planet that is sterile yet? <br />Also, aside from obvious things like magma, etc. do you know if we have found any sterile environments on the planet? Because if we were to find one here in this lake, It seems to me that that would be far more surprising than if it were to contain life. <br /><br />I mean its not like we have to bet for life to have evolved from scratch down in there, the lake was formed far after life was established on the earth.. just want to know anyone's thoughts on this...Matthew Stevenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10466769508945161715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-55106131670654870542012-10-22T06:36:58.794-05:002012-10-22T06:36:58.794-05:00Does anyone out there know if we have ever found a...Does anyone out there know if we have ever found a sterile body of water on this planet?Matthew Stevenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10466769508945161715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-40058313443380873662012-10-22T06:34:51.320-05:002012-10-22T06:34:51.320-05:00hey everybody - Raca!!! wheee!
hey everybody - Raca!!! wheee!<br /><br />Matthew Stevenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10466769508945161715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-66851273104240245862012-10-22T06:31:55.962-05:002012-10-22T06:31:55.962-05:00of course, I agree with what you are saying, but I...of course, I agree with what you are saying, but I just want to correct a couple of misconceptions:<br /><br />1. just because something is made in a chemical plant does not necessarily mean it is harmful, and just because something is naturally derived or simple in composition does not mean it is harmless. for example, an invasive species brought in by accident could potentially harm the ecosystem much more than chemicals.<br /><br />2. just because we want there to be a better way to do this research does not mean that such a way exists, and even if it exists it may not be available to these scientists to use. <br /><br />Ultimately I doubt these scientists went out of there way to choose environmentally questionable methods in their work, I have a feeling that the only way to conduct this research in a truly responsible manner would be to wait a few more decades for the technology and funding to be there to support the project.<br /><br />but wether we like it or not, they are doing it. I simply hope we can successfully learn something from this without anything terrible happening.Matthew Stevenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10466769508945161715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-11893748131451377152012-10-22T06:23:07.334-05:002012-10-22T06:23:07.334-05:00I am very interested in what they find in lake vos...I am very interested in what they find in lake vostok, however I feel there is a big hole missing in the entire discussion.<br /><br />Everyone is saying how amazing it would be if we find life there, and I agree that that would be amazing. But to be honest, I think it would be far more shocking to not find any life there. <br /><br />Think about it: almost everything we know about life, especially microbial life, is that it pretty much exists everywhere on the planet. With the exception of things like the mantle and core of the earth, lava flows, etc.. we have found that life pretty much exists everywhere, and once it gets there it doesn't really leave. We have found life pretty much almost everywhere we didn't expect to -- even the most damaged and decimated ecosystems are far from sterile. .. And we have even also found ecosystems that don't rely on the sun for their energy system.. . <br /><br />That said, while this lake is really old, it is certainly much younger than life on earth, so all the water that would have gone into the creating of it would have been full of countless varieties of life. <br /><br />So what I am saying is that wouldn't it be the most shocking if we just didn't find anything at all down there? <br /><br />Anyway, unfortunately I think one of the biggest problems is that with all the fundamental difficulties and challenges with trying to peer into this lake, I think we are probably not going to see any conclusive answers as to what was down there any time soon.<br /><br />To sum up what I am saying, I think that a sterile lake vostok would be the most shocking result we could find, is anyone else out there thinking similarly?Matthew Stevenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10466769508945161715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-993809626379988262012-02-08T18:36:35.143-06:002012-02-08T18:36:35.143-06:00Z, I had forgotten all about that quiz. Took it a...Z, I had forgotten all about that quiz. Took it again after seeing your link, scored 14/15, then remembered I had posted it in 2010 -<br /><br />http://tywkiwdbi.blogspot.com/2010/09/us-religious-knowledge-survey-and-quiz.html<br /><br />Got the same score back then (missed the same question again!)<br /><br />Maybe I should repost it for the group here again. But I've got another one (re politics) to do first.Minnesotastanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01382888179579245181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-58981311529061965952012-02-08T18:22:10.645-06:002012-02-08T18:22:10.645-06:00Atheists are typically more familiar with what the...<a href="http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1745/religious-knowledge-in-america-survey-atheists-agnostics-score-highest" rel="nofollow">Atheists are typically more familiar with what the bible says than believers are.</a>Z. Constantinehttp://blog.operator-speaking.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-35823453736843474822012-02-08T17:13:51.669-06:002012-02-08T17:13:51.669-06:00Wow good find, Constantine. I'm going to reme...Wow good find, Constantine. I'm going to remember that Matthew verse as a good biblical comeback. Thank you again.in Floridanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-28228463924935458662012-02-08T16:45:41.803-06:002012-02-08T16:45:41.803-06:00The latest news is rather underwhelming. Apparent...The latest news is rather underwhelming. Apparently there won't be any analysis of the water or its contents until next season. sigh...Minnesotastanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01382888179579245181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-80625536422736673972012-02-08T13:52:08.960-06:002012-02-08T13:52:08.960-06:00Time for 5th update!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/sc...Time for 5th update!<br /><br />http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16907998Rossnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-68100872793949198662012-02-08T12:30:11.808-06:002012-02-08T12:30:11.808-06:00"Fools abound" - and hypocrites, too!
&..."Fools abound" - and hypocrites, too!<br /><br />"But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. <b>But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.</b>" - Matthew 5:22Z. Constantinehttp://blog.operator-speaking.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-59145913501471103202012-02-08T08:21:00.895-06:002012-02-08T08:21:00.895-06:00A fool in his heart says there is no God..... Fool...A fool in his heart says there is no God..... Fools aboundAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-76924451991699034922012-02-07T19:53:00.130-06:002012-02-07T19:53:00.130-06:00They're not lost. They know exactly what they&...They're not lost. They know exactly what they're doing. Its the people who have grown impatient due to a lack of response from the team who calling them lost.<br /><br />They might be conducting their research now or perhaps their equipment got caught up with the water and froze.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-48471975672197643932012-02-07T06:36:09.330-06:002012-02-07T06:36:09.330-06:00I think The Onion is more accurate and has better ...I think The Onion is more accurate and has better sources than FOX News, Stan.<br />I trust them more than I would ever trust FOX.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-88432062379592766302012-02-06T17:29:39.427-06:002012-02-06T17:29:39.427-06:00Aw man. I got all excited that the Nazis who tran...Aw man. I got all excited that the Nazis who transported there at the end of WW2 had gotten them! ;-)Stonemavenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07379953318010297056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-89938164709591825142012-02-04T12:57:01.042-06:002012-02-04T12:57:01.042-06:00Has there ever been the notion of using materials ...Has there ever been the notion of using materials that are more natural or simpler in there composition (i.e. not made in a refinery or chemical plant) to conduct science in such a delicate ecosystem. From what is published, it appears the use of toxic chemicals and methods have been the only things that Russian scientists there have thought to use. I think some new ideas need to make it down south!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-484286944906633072012-02-04T12:51:07.230-06:002012-02-04T12:51:07.230-06:00Where did you spend your time learning? You failed...Where did you spend your time learning? You failed to learn what a fact is. The existence of God is not fact. The "theory" of evolution is closer to what the definition of a fact is. You are probably one of those morons that believe rocks were created out of nothing overnight and that the Holocaust didn't happen. Maybe you should spend some time learning Anonymous!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-12923735633791389912012-02-03T22:06:27.448-06:002012-02-03T22:06:27.448-06:00the advocates for the invisible man in the sky, sp...the advocates for the invisible man in the sky, speak and amaze us all...johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-53889513213942392162012-02-03T16:11:35.477-06:002012-02-03T16:11:35.477-06:00They say they took a break for "maintenance w...They say they took a break for "maintenance work." Here's the last pgh:<br /><br />"Seasonal work of the 57th Russian Antarctic Expedition (RAE) to drill the ice above Lake Vostok began January 2, 2012. All of this season will end on February 5, after the contact of the drilling rig from the water column of the lake and a set of special operations. Then the experts will return to drill only in December 2012 to obtain samples of fresh frozen waters of the lake, past the hole, and to investigate them."<br /><br />Thanks, Kira.Minnesotastanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01382888179579245181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4912713243046142041.post-90587767885243719212012-02-03T11:11:02.140-06:002012-02-03T11:11:02.140-06:00There is an announcement on the russian news websi...There is an announcement on the russian news website that work has been resumed. It's dated 5 hrs ago. In russian, sorry. http://eco.ria.ru/nature/20120203/555642585.htmlThe Braggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14299793874716962690noreply@blogger.com